Lear: Yes they are.
 
The types I will mention are listed in a USAF Academy Physics book called ‘INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE VOLUME 2,B.’ I refer to chapter 13… which lists the ones that are most seen.
 
They are the EBE’s, the ‘Blondes’… They look just like us but are invariably blond-haired and blue eyed. Don’t know where they come from but they do not interact with us except for a few abductions now and then. We also have a species that is similar to us in appearance but they are about seven feet tall and the main difference is that their eyes wrap around their head a little more than ours. Another type listed is a small species about four feet tall, very hairy and extremely strong for their size. We don’t know where these guys come from either. All this was in the aforementioned text which was withdrawn by the Air Force in the early ’70’s from the book. But there are several people who have the original book…
 
Question: I’m curious also as to the government’s plans, if any, to deal with an uprising of EBE’s should that eventually occur… or would the technological gap make an attempt untenable?
 
Lear: It is my understanding that we have already lost the battle. This is the reason why MJ-12 is in such a panic. They had a lot of well laid plans to inform us, and when the deception was confirmed about 1984 it was all out the window…
 
Question: Recently in the INF treaty negotiations, Gorbachev indicated that despite prior claims, they too were working on an SDI program… Is there any connection between our program and theirs and if the battle is lost, why are those attempts being made?
 
Lear: I wish I knew the answer to that. Several rumors have come out of the test site recently and one of them was that every test shot this year (1989? – Branton) has been to make a giant (underground – Branton) room. The shots are very clean and as soon as everything subsides they move in equipment to make walls, ceiling, floors and various levels.
 
The following account is based on a series of letters, documents, and diagrams which were received from a man in Michigan who we will refer to as David L., who claimed to have been part of a 12-man speleological team who broke into an ancient tunnel system and, subsequently, encountered some of the inhabitants of the subsurface world.
 
These beings described by David ‘may’ be the 7-ft. tall humans with large ‘wrap-around’ eyes described by John Lear who have bases on the moon.
 
However this is only a supposition. During the mid-1980’s, subsurface researcher Charles A. Marcoux (now deceased) informed other researchers who were at the time involved in aerial and subsurface investigations, that he had received a manuscript, maps, etc., from a long-time correspondent of his. This was David L. We will not reveal the last name of this source, nor the last names nor the cities of residence of others involved in the incident out of respect for their privacy. However, since much of the story was released to inner earth researchers some years ago we feel that the information itself is of enough importance to the “master puzzle” to mention here.
 
The manuscript contained an account of a series of expeditions which David L. and 11 others were involved with during the late 1950’s and early 1960’s. Only 4 or 5 of the members took part in the expeditions at any given time, while the others supported their efforts.
The account contained a description of an alleged encounter with a subterran “human” race who allegedly inhabited an underground city or cities, connected by tunnels, approximately 5-7 miles beneath the surface of northern Arkansas. This subterranean system was apparently built by a highly technological race. Some indications suggest that the tunnels were constructed by a race which was more ancient than the present inhabitants, and were possibly excavated in antediluvian times, since the present inhabitants allegedly showed the speleologists ancient sealed ‘cities’ farther below their own, built by a race which pre-dated themselves. Some of the men involved were formerly members of a UFO organization which thrived in Michigan in the 1950’s, and which published a UFO journal which had up to a few thousand subscribers at one point.
 
Some of the writers for this publication, who were also members of the ‘board’ of this investigations group, later left off investigating UFO’s due to the confusing “paranormal” aspects of the phenomena, and instead turned their attentions to subsurface investigations. At the time there was a great division between those UFOlogists who considered the UFO phenomena to be an exclusively physical and solid phenomena and those who were convinced it was more paraphysical or supernatural in nature. Unfortunately, few considered the possibility that both could be true, i.e. that a physical race of alien “sorcerers” that possessed seemingly supernatural or paraphysical abilities, such as the reptilian Grays, were behind much of the phenomena.
 
One of the early members of this groups was a man by the name of George Wight. He, like the others, felt that it might be more profitable to investigate something more “closer to home”, like the subterranean realm, instead of attempting to investigate possible encounters with alien craft from beyond earth which were here today and gone tomorrow and might have been paraphysical apparitions anyway, from all they could gather. So the group eventually drifted towards investigating the underground realm, beginning with the exploration of caverns in Arkansas and surrounding states.
According to David L., even though they had been partially exposed to the idea of subterranean civilizations through the Shaver Mystery, etc., none of them ever expected to encounter anything like that, and they took such accounts with a grain of salt. To them the idea was almost as elusive as the UFO phenomena, they had not really seen any solid evidence to prove it. They probably realized that any such “evidence” of an alien civilization might be apprehended by government officials even if it did turn up, and so they more-or-less resigned themselves to a “wait and see” attitude. Two of the incidents which led Wight and the others to their assumption of a “paranormal” connection to the UFO phenomena were as follows.
 
The first incident which led them to their conclusions involved a woman known by some members of the group, who claimed to be an “occult channel” for psychic messages from the so-called “space people”. The researchers tried to convince the girl that she should ask the ‘occupants’ to make an appearance to them, which she did. She took them outside and directed their attention to the sky. From the standpoint of the researchers, nothing could be seen in the sky, even through the girl insisted that ‘they’ were there. However, several people in the area reported seeing a luminous object flying overhead at about the same time the researchers were standing outside with the ‘contactee’, and in the exact same area. They noticed some strange qualities with the girl which reminded them of some of the obsessive and irrational behavior which often accompanies those who have become involved in the occult, witchcraft, and the dark side and have become ‘possessed’ by invisible malevolent entities as a result. Also, with the ‘religious’ background of some of the members of the group, they began to suspect that something sinister and deceptive and at least in part supernatural might be working behind the phenomena. They noticed that some of the objects could be seen by people who were supposedly ‘psychically attuned’ to them or people who were under the influence of the objects and the occupants, while those standing next to them might not see anything at all. The other account involved one of the members of the group who was of the conviction that many of the UFO’s were of ‘demonic’ origin (this is not to say that ALL such objects can be classified in this way).
 
This member was alleged to have had conversations with a well-known UFOlogist at the time who claimed to have had frequent visits by the so-called ‘Men In Black’.
 
Related:  Interview with Alex Christopher

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