J: Yes! So you know how to behave. Bottom line. Because you’re dealing with creatures that are non-human intelligence. They’re ten to a hundred times faster in the mind. They’ve got the high technology. They can travel time, they can span the universe with no time passing. They can work with other dimensions and these people or beings are so far removed from what we are, particularly socially. They definitely don’t have any social skills as far as we’re concerned. They traumatize you. Interaction is trauma in every way, shape and form. It’s a better thing that the memory is taken away from people, and maybe it comes back to them slowly, so they can cope and deal with it.
But in that first six years it was, ambiguity, paradox, and learning symbols. The point that there is that I had no frame of reference to understand what was going on. The second set of six years or seven years was when I was turned loose on board, where I got to see agendas. Now I knew how to behave. A, I wasn’t gonna kill them. B, I wasn’t gonna go around tearing up the ship. C, I wasn’t going to be disruptive, I wasn’t gonna… as I was that first six years. I was paralyzed for the most part. So now I got to see things that they were doing.
B: Now, this is very strange because it’s like after this time, after you had been a rebel in their terms, it’s like you didn’t want to cooperate. You were yelling and screaming at them. You were angry. You were outraged…
J: Right.
B: …that these things were happening to you against your will, but then they seemed to take you into their confidence, almost to help them with their program. I mean this is a paradox.
J: Yes, but it was necessary. I mean you really… I’m not justifying them. I don’t claim… and you’ve heard me say this before, and I’m gonna say it now, I don’t claim to embrace alien culture. I have a healthy suspicion of all their motives at all times. I don’t just swallow it and say, “That’s how it is”. But I let it play itself out. It’s the only wise thing to do. What I’m finding is it is playing itself out and I am seeing signs and they are positive, they’re not negative.
B: Would it be fair then to describe this as a kind of positive brainwashing? That’s my take on what you seem to be having. And once again that’s a paradox as well, because one doesn’t really associate the term “brainwashing” as being anything positive at all.
J: Of course.
B: But there is something about this being against people’s free will.
J: Right.
B: The intention seems to be positive because the idea is to shock or push people into taking more responsibility for our planet and our environment than we have been doing. Is this just because they’re purely altruistic or is there some self-interest involved?
J: There’s definitely self-interest and there’s definitely benefits to us. But addressing the brainwashing aspect of it, clearly it’s there. Clearly it’s forced upon one. Now, that’s something that took me several years to grasp why it had to be that way. Because they are so far removed from what we are. We’re talking about species of non-human intelligence that are literally thousands of years in some cases, ahead of us technically. Thousands of years ahead of already figuring things out and, who have evolved. They’ve joined, so to speak, the galactic neighborhood. They’ve conquered things like death, some of them have. Their life spans are phenomenal, and I think it’s also transformed physically as that wears out to another body form.
B: That’s what we’ve heard.
J: They have many thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of years of experience in a data bank in their minds. It’s cohesive, it’s practical, it works as a group, and when you have something like that, that has something in mind, you’re killing your planet and it sees a problem with time.
B: Is it “our” planet or is it “their” planet?
J: (Laughing) There are some things there that are hard to swallow that I didn’t enjoy because I use to scream in those early years “why me, why me, why me, why me ….” And I didn’t get an answer, and it took five more years to do it, and the bottom line is… Grays and this particular species… I’m not speaking for all of them… very close to the face I saw here earlier [referring to Bill Holden’s model alien head, see later in the interview] … claim to have genetically altered these ape-like creatures, which I’ve seen, in a holographic form, not in the physical. It’s the time thing… anyway, they took frames of certain time periods, and I got to see what it was like. Perhaps maybe a few million years ago, maybe a few hundred thousand years ago. These ape-like creatures that don’t quite look like a monkey, don’t quite look like a person, they claim they genetically altered to make us what we are today.
B: Are you saying that you experienced this a bit like a Star Trek holodeck? Like a kind of… like you’re in there….
J: No, No.
B: OK, sorry. Just explain to us how it is that you experienced this.
J: What we could commonly refer to as a…. like a computer image, only projected out like a hologram. So you would see it in a frame, and it was many of these hologram-type frames, square frames, that would hang in the air. I’ve seen many many thousands of these frames during these experiences.
B: So it’s like three-dimensional wide screen TV, and you’re right in front of it?
J: Yes.
B: Okay. Got it.