J: Without going into great detail… after we evolve, I think is where I want to go right now, which is [pause] as we understand things now, as see things now, it’s fantastic. We can’t just sit back and, say, “oh, gee, we do evolve” because we repopulate again, and regroup and so forth. The push is to get us to bring most of us if not all of us there.
B: It gets worse before it get better, and we’ve got to rise to the challenge.
J: It will, oh absolutely, it will. Oh, but when it will and how it will, it almost doesn’t take much imagination. You know if you start looking at CO2 levels, if you start seeing what the rain forest is… I could go on and on with the environmental things. The way out is the fact that we have the brain power, we have the raw resources, we have the technologies that are hidden from us, and for very good reason, for the most part. But from where we’re at right now, these things need to come out, and they need to come out and change the face of the Earth as we know it.
B: What’s the one message that you would like to leave viewers with if you were in a position to say something everyone would remember, or take note of, or act upon? (Jim laughs) What would that be?
J: Look within yourself and really, really see where we’re at. Vision in your mind, vision in your heart, vision in your soul the glow. Vision all of us on it, see us as a species evolved and then think in your mind from where you’re at now, to where you see us evolve with all the wonderful things that I’ve just said. What steps should be taken to get us there, or to get me there, and how can I participate in bringing us there as a species.
B: We have a little piece of videotape here which we recorded just a short while ago, from somebody who obtained a model of a Gray. We would like to know your reactions to this. And this is unprepared, this is live, these are your spontaneous reactions… and just give us your response to this.
J: (Looking at laptop screen) For starters, we did have a phone conversation speaking of the gentleman, Bill Holden, briefly, but in very vague detail describing a little bit about his background. I had asked you during that conversation, which was yesterday, what his interaction was in reality to extraterrestrials. As far as did he see any? And things of that nature? On the phone you mentioned to me yesterday that he was on Air Force One. I believe he said he was a steward. I also believe he said that, as I remember, that he had some interaction with President Kennedy and as you mentioned also, that President Kennedy at the time said, admitted to him that he is aware of extraterrestrials and UFOs and you didn’t go into any detail past that.
Then you mentioned briefly that he, Mr. Holden, his involvement had changed in the years: he had some sort of security clearance and that he had pictures perhaps, or he had experienced UFOs, and the vehicles themselves, with aliens standing next to them. I had asked you then, could he describe what they looked like, or could you tell me what he told you? You then said to me something to the effect of, he carries around with him a model, a head, that he said he found at a swamp meet or something like that, or…
B: He basically picked it up.
J: Somewhere along the line. Because it was very close to what he saw, right?
B: Yes, there are particular features on this model that he understands are accurate. This is his understanding. Because of your unique experience, we’d also like to run this past you.
J: This is an honest reaction and I did see on the laptop that particular still version. One thing, that stood out, with me, when we were having the phone conversation, which was what you were exactly about to say. Which was, he said it was a very close replica, but the nose and the mouth were a little less defined on the ET versus that model. First thing I noticed when I sat down was this thing looks very, very close to a species that I’ve seen. Very close, right up at the face.
So my reaction to that first was there’s some authenticity here. Then as I look closer at it, and as I’m looking at it now, that’s one of the first things: the nose is not right. The nose is a little too pronounced on this thing. And also, how defined the mouth is. It’s different. Now, something that stands out with me when it comes to this particular species of Gray, because it was a situation that really the face is so much… the way the face looked is something in my minf, and something I can’t forget.
They have a leather-like texture to their faces and you can see something akin to wrinkles, which defines one individual from another, meaning that I’ve seen drone beings and these drone beings are the short three foot ones, more or less. Huge heads, huge giant teardrop eyes, skinny necks and so forth. And they’re worker bees and I believe them to be half biological and half robotic. They are just to perform tasks. Would it be artificial intelligence? I don’t think so, because of the biological aspect of it. Nonetheless, what I would call the true species, or the true alien, are the ones that govern, the “taskmasters”. This looks like a “taskmaster”. This is what looks like what I would call a true alien.
B: What Bill said was there was a very unusual and pronounced musculature at the back of the head, and that for him was something that indicated to him that whoever it was who created the little model knew exactly what they were doing, and either had some experience, ior some very accurate testimony to work from.
J: (pointing at the musculature on the back of the head shown on the screen) Too pronounced… I would say that it would be… See where it’s ridged over here? What I’m seeing that’s… I’m not saying that this is not authentic, I’m just saying what I know.
B: Of course.
J: (still pointing at the back of head musculature) This part here wouldn’t be so indented, so pronounced here, but it would be more… the contour would be more blended in. With the exception I’m enjoying about this is that these features here, where you’re seeing these deep ridges? (still pointing to the same area) Again the face of the particular species that I’m seeing now and intimately have had interaction with, there’s a leather-like texture to the face. When it comes to this aspect of the head it would be more refined ridges, a more refined line. What I’m looking at here it comes to mind and I’m just telling you gut reaction. This looks like a model made from one that had been dead.
B: Oh! Right.
J: That’s just the gut reaction, and that’s “hey, that’s how it is”. But I’m pleased with the fact that it’s not describing the typical face that’s smooth, big eyes, the small thin lips, and they all look alike kind of thing. What your seeing here is obviously a creature that has pronounced, defined independent features, like me from you or you from me. Now the face, I’m impressed with the eyes. I’ve always said if you read my work, in other interviews, whenever I’ve given talks, that’s what I would call a true alien, when I say I just separate it from the robotic beings. When I say true, in that species, the eyes are not nearly as big as the giant teardrop eyes of the worker beings, but they’re certainly bigger than ours. So what I’m seeing here in the face are the eyes are very, very good, as far as what I’ve seen. The nose is not proper, and I find that fascinating again in that he had mentioned that to you and to me. It’s the same with the mouth. Again I’m seeing a texture on the face akin to the skin, what with the wrinkles being more refined.
B: Jim, this is absolutely fabulous. Thank you so much. You’re the definitive expert around here.
J: Oh Good! (both laughing)