SM: I’ve got to say, that certainly was. The way you described that and the way they got round the problems with that was absolutely brilliant.
GB: But I think he said that to answer my question that I’d asked two days
before. He didn’t answer me then. He answered it in this oblique way when we
driving around the actual base.
SM: So it sounds like with these people that they have to think very
carefully, they actually have to go away and think about an answer to the
question. They sound like they’re being helpful but they don’t give you a
direct response.
GB: I don’t think they go away and think about it. I think they know exactly
what they’re doing the whole time. I think this guy was smart enough that he
knew that he would direct the way that he would give me the information. He
talked about a load of other things. He was interested in religion and
spirituality, the Bible; he’s a very religious person. When we went out to
lunch he would say grace before eating. He said it to himself; he wouldn’t
make me do it. But we talked about so many other things as well and I didn’t
really remember anything from those conversations because I didn’t think
they were really important. Now I’m thinking it probably wasn’t very smart.
You meet some of these government people and people that are involved in
secret projects, and they’re completely different from anybody you might
know. They might drink a beer and have fun and talk about when they were in
Vietnam and whatever. But, if you’re asking direct questions about things,
if they can talk about it they might just answer your question but if you’re
not backgrounded in figuring out what they’re saying, you’ll never catch it,
and they don’t care. If you don’t catch it, they’re not going to repeat it.
They’ll help you as much as they can, and I think those are the kind souls
in the spy business. There are others that are either completely
uncooperative or will say something to lead you astray specifically. I don’t
think anybody I was talking to while I was doing the book did that in any
specific or malicious way, as far as I could tell. I was really lucky with
that.
SM: How high up the chain of command do you think Doty was? How genuinely
knowledgeable was he? You start the book with you sat with him in this
restaurant and he tells you straight out, UFOs are real.
GB: He believes that. As far as I can tell, I’m 80 to 90% sure of that. He’s
been exposed to a lot of things that we aren’t and he said that. I don’t
know for a fact but I’m pretty sure he has. He got to captain rank or
something by the time he retired and he got into trouble for various things;
making up stories and causing problems. He got a little over zealous in what
he was doing and made some headaches for the air force. I talked to another
guy, my friend Walter who was in AFOSI from about ’92 to ’96 approximately,
he was an agent same as Doty was and they actually give them a lot of leeway
as to how they do their job. They get orders but unlike a lot of other
military organisations, they get a lot of latitude about how they go about
doing their jobs. From our point of view, that looks like Doty had a lot of
power and he was high up in the military etc. But the thing is, while not
being a low level grunt, he was also not somebody in a command position. He
was carrying out orders. It doesn’t mean he was stupid or that he didn’t
know how to do his job or that he couldn’t have had a higher rank or
whatever. What his position and job description dictated as regards to
Bennewitz and with what went on at the bases, he was tasked to keep tabs on
who was looking at what, how much they knew and if they were communicating
with anybody then how they were doing that and how to stop it.
As I said, from our point of view that’s a lot of power, and it is, but from
the military’s point of view, he was just doing the job of a detective.
SM: I suppose I meant more by my question, in terms of knowing the truth,
the genuine reality, how far towards the top was he positioned in that
sense?
GB: He knew more than us, but not much.
SM: Really?
GB: I don’t think so. He believes things in terms of what he was told by
others in the military. If he actually saw something at Area 51 as he
claims, I have no idea.
But based on talking with him and with Bill about him, and they both believe
there is some other civilization visiting here, they both think that but as
far as Doty is concerned, I don’t exactly know what he thinks that
interaction is.
There are ways to dis-inform people on the inside as well as there is the
rest of us. That’s the point of compartmentalisation. Certain people will
know certain things. One or two or three people will probably know
everything. I’m sure the President doesn’t even know the whole thing and I
don’t think any president ever has. Then there are maybe two or three
hundred people that know a great deal about it and then there’s probably
thousands that just know enough of what they need to know to do their job.
And I think those very few who know the whole thing probably don’t even know
the whole thing. They may only know this part or that part but it’s enough
to really throw people through a loop if it’s true. Belief is a bad word but
I think Doty has seen enough to make him believe that there is a, if not
extraterrestrial, then at least another consciousness that deals with the
human race and a lot of people in the government have known about that and
have had interaction with it. I think he really believes that from what he
was shown.